Sounds like an amazing experience. I've always been kind of terrified of trying to learn to speak another language, because I started French in a public school immersion program when I was five, and can't imagine learning any other way... Five year olds have ZERO self-consciousness, and much lower expectations in terms of what they're trying to get across. The language grows with them.
Spanish is on my list, and this post makes me simultaneously want it more and fear it more! :D
Another great post. If it is any consolation to you, I studied French for years (from the time I was 12 until I graduated college) and spent nine months there when I was 19. By the time I left I was reasonably fluent and could certainly understand most of what was said to me. But when we went back this summer, nearly twenty years after I had used the language on any kind of regular basis, I could speak about as well as my 3 year old. This was supremely frustrating, as I could still understand pretty well what people were saying to me.
Makes me think of a Me Talk Pretty One Day by David Sedaris.
Would you expect to be fluent by the time you leave South America? I'm interested as I'll be doing something similar in the future. Sounds like a headache! You said it's having an effect on your train of thoughts, do you think it's having an effect on your writing per se?
This sounds like the Vaughantown programme (immersion English for Spanish people) I frequently take part in in reverse.
Last time I was in Spain, the barman served my beer in an opened bottle. I wanted to ask for a glass but remembered, in that part of the country, 'vaso' is pronounced almost like 'beso' and I didn't want him to get the wrong idea.
Fantastic post, and very encouraging too - as a bit of immersion in Xela is on my itinerary soon after the start of my RTW trip next year. My only worry is I haven't allowed enough time for it - think I may need to extend my planned stay there.
Christine, your closing reminds me of a favorite quote that is attributed to English novelist George Eliot: It's never too late to be who you might have been.
I'm so glad you've made this opportunity for yourself!
Find yourself a Calvin & Hobbes book in spanish and pick up some spanish like that. That is how I learned that "com fome" in portuguese means "hungry", not comfortable (sounds similar when spoken quickly) when I bought one in Brazil. No wonder they'd feed me everytime I said yes.
Oh, Christine, I totally feel your pain. I think it's impressive that you push yourself and remain in a position that's outside of your comfort zone. It's truly worth it in the end but it is hard. I pick up things quickly too and have a hard time accepting things that don't come easily. Like Portuguese. I felt like an idiot and a stupid American the whole time I was in Brazil and it's not because Brazilians were looking down on me for not knowing the language. It was because Portuguese SEEMS simple but it's not. It looks like Spanish but the pronunciations are wacky and I was making really weird mistakes and I was so frustrated. It didn't help that people assummed that I was Brazilian. I left feeling like a failure but I definitly know more Portuguese now than before. I have many friends that came to the U.S. without knowing English and a lot of them picked it up by watching TV, (not movies!) cartoons and comic books as ANthony suggests.
As someone who recently wrapped up 3 weeks of Spanish classes in Mexico City, I can totally empathize with everything you're saying. I think it's important not to view "fluency" as a concrete destination. After all, we fluent English speakers still learn new words. Instead, I like to focus on perseverance and the steady accumulation of words/grammar/etc. Pretty soon, it adds up to something useful.
As someone who is almost a year into his central/south america trip and who studied in Xela as well, I have some tips for you for learning Spanish.
1. Don't worry about specific words for everything as that's going to slow down the conversation. Just describe it as best as you can with the words you know. Street curb becomes "that part in between the street and where people walk". Sure, it's long, but if you keep talking, you'll get there.
2. Straight dictionary translations usually don't do you that well. Listen to the context of how other people use them. Look at "bestante" in the dictionary at it will probably translate it as "enough" when it really means "plenty". Not to mention a lot of the words will change meanings slightly in other countries.
3. In central america, you can stick with Usted for 99% of the time. I heard people talking to their dogs in Usted form. In fact, in a lot of places instead of using tu form, people speak in Vos instead.
4. Bien = well (adverb) and bueno = good (adjective). It seems that people only use buen when the adjective is in front of the noun.
5. Most importantly, don't short-cut yourself. I know it may be easier to throw the infinitive out there now, but with a host family and a patient teacher use the time to practice everything correctly. Temporary solutions tend to become permanent...
Also, Xela has a great expat-run bookstore with lots of Spanish (and English) titles for kids (I can't remember the name of it now, sorry). I picked up "El Ratoncito y La Motocicleta" (Mouse and the Motorcylce) and learned a lot by reading that.
Tanya
· 12 months ago
Sounds like an amazing experience! But don't ever give up on becoming fluent. Just when you think it's been forever since you made any progress and just when you think your language skills will never improve...bam! It all becomes clear and your abilities take off. What a great feeling.
Christine
· 12 months ago
I love Xela!! You are a lucky girl!! I studied at Guatemalenisis several years back and had the most amazing time. Loved my host family. One thing I loved to do was go to the cemetary on Sundays---that's the big day when the families come and groom the plots of their deceased familly members. Have you seen it yet--filled with big beautiful buildings with entire families enclosed. Really an amazing place. Well, have fun in Xela and don't forget to visit Lake Atalan (look up Maximon--the pagen saint when you are there), and chi chi castenango for a lovely shopping experience and Antigua, a beautiful colonial city.....wow, I'm so jealous....thanks for sharing your trip with us, we really enjoy it. We are going to travel for 8 1/2 months to a year starting July 31, 2009....can't wait!!
Christy
· 12 months ago
Awesome! I'm going to be in Guatemala this Friday and I'm pumped. And I'm actually even planning to spend the summer there learning Spanish as well. Probably even in the same town. So that is awesome to hear that you are having a wonderful time.
Congrats on your travels. If you are still there go to languageselnahual.com as you can take great lessons AND volunteer teaching kids English,art or working in the garden. It's a great way to contribute back to the community in Xela.I volunteer all over the world. If you are heading off somewhere and want some ideaas let me know! If you are staying south go to www.volunteersouthamerica.net for LOTS of suggestions!!
Erica
· 11 months ago
Great to hear that you're making progress - even though it's frustrating. I felt the same during my first months as an aupair in France a few years ago. Also saw the Motorcycle Diaries, in French with French subtext, and didn't realize a lot of things until I saw the English version later on. But those times of struggle to understand and make yourself understood are all worth it in the end.
It's so easy to forget though. As Mara said, returning can be frustrating when you realize that your language skills aren't what they used to be. That's why it's important to speak, or at least hear, the language on a regular basis once you've left a certain country. I think a good idea is to keep reading books (or blogs) and watching films without English subtext in the language you've studied.
I'm heading into Xela this weekend for a few weeks of Spanish lessons--touristy Antigua is not the place for me--and it's good to hear an opinion of the city. I empathize with the challenges of learning Spanish! "Ser" and "estar" sometimes baffle me in conversation, too.
Joyce Major
· 9 months ago
Stop by www.languageselnahual.com in Xela. I studied there and volunteered. say hi to Jaime from Joyce. It's a wonderful place as is Xela!
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Sounds like an amazing experience. I've always been kind of terrified of trying to learn to speak another language, because I started French in a public school immersion program when I was five, and can't imagine learning any other way... Five year olds have ZERO self-consciousness, and much lower expectations in terms of what they're trying to get across. The language grows with them.
Spanish is on my list, and this post makes me simultaneously want it more and fear it more! :D
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1. Don't worry about specific words for everything as that's going to slow down the conversation. Just describe it as best as you can with the words you know. Street curb becomes "that part in between the street and where people walk". Sure, it's long, but if you keep talking, you'll get there.
2. Straight dictionary translations usually don't do you that well. Listen to the context of how other people use them. Look at "bestante" in the dictionary at it will probably translate it as "enough" when it really means "plenty". Not to mention a lot of the words will change meanings slightly in other countries.
3. In central america, you can stick with Usted for 99% of the time. I heard people talking to their dogs in Usted form. In fact, in a lot of places instead of using tu form, people speak in Vos instead.
4. Bien = well (adverb) and bueno = good (adjective). It seems that people only use buen when the adjective is in front of the noun.
5. Most importantly, don't short-cut yourself. I know it may be easier to throw the infinitive out there now, but with a host family and a patient teacher use the time to practice everything correctly. Temporary solutions tend to become permanent...
Also, Xela has a great expat-run bookstore with lots of Spanish (and English) titles for kids (I can't remember the name of it now, sorry). I picked up "El Ratoncito y La Motocicleta" (Mouse and the Motorcylce) and learned a lot by reading that.
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It's so easy to forget though. As Mara said, returning can be frustrating when you realize that your language skills aren't what they used to be. That's why it's important to speak, or at least hear, the language on a regular basis once you've left a certain country. I think a good idea is to keep reading books (or blogs) and watching films without English subtext in the language you've studied.
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